Considering outcomes of children that grow up in a single parent scenario are well-known to be much better when it is the father rather than the mother, in the interest of the child, I would propose splitting custody between the two fathers, leaving the mother out.
> Considering outcomes of children that grow up in a single parent scenario are well-known to be much better when it is the father rather than the mother
I've never heard this and would be very interested in a source.
Not the same person, but here's something. Just to note, the income portion mention might be lacking additional investigation as child support is typically not accounted for in income numbers.
The buried lede in that link is that mothers who don't have custody of their children are more likely to remain in close emotional contact with their children than fathers are when in the same position. So children living with dad still benefit from having both parents involved in their upbringing. Which undermines OP's assertion that this child would be better off without their mother around.
Yes, involvement from both parents seems to be the major factor regardless of sex. There is likely additional research needed on why fathers disengage more when the mother has primary custody. With a majority of single parent households being headed by mothers, it seems another area ripe for research is how unlikely it is that the majority of fathers are disengaged to create such a large effect on the whole single mother cohort. Likewise, with the way custody tends to be grated in court, you would expect single father households to have a higher percentage of unengaged mothers due if it was determined that the mothers were the lesser choice for child welfare. I would guess looking at outcomes where one parent died would mostly control for that support mechanism.
Yet it's well known that if you want someone to change their mind it's most likely to occur if they think it's their own idea/doing. You're more likely to argue with me than if you just read sources you found and independently came to the conclusion.
What the fuck? Leave the mother out of her own child's life? Because statistically there is a marginal difference, which may not even apply here, because population wide numbers aren't a good indicator for specific cases?
Yeah probably because our patrichary is shit and woman earn a lot less money than man do which makes it easier for the man to pay for baby sitter, nanny, education etc.
Perhaps we fixup our society instead of blaming it to a woman?
No clue why you are getting downvoted. It's well documented that women earn less. It's well documented that children are expensive. It's well documented that social safety nets are inadequate to assist in raising a child.
You've literally just stated some objective facts and suggested we fix some of those challenges.
I assume they are getting down voted because their statement is emotional and seemingly unsupported (seems to ignore child support). After accounting for child support, they should have similar resources. We can further investigate this when comparing to intact families - single parents of either sex have wealth gaps with intact families, yet outcomes in single father families tend to be close to the outcomes of the intact families. We would probably need more research into the topic to find concrete causes, but there doesn't seem to be much interest in that.
"I would have a lot more money even with child support just because I earn so much more than my wife."
That depends on the state, especially looking at after tax income due to the tax treatment on both sides.
"So having a man getting custidy is not normal at all. "
I agree there could be bias there. I think if we looked at households with deceased parents and then controlled for income, that would present a good elimination of bias.
There should be a cap in all states of child support. And independent of this, the person with a lot more income can do things the other person can't like getting a nani.
And lets be honest here: A single father is so rare that this alone raises eyebrows and questions. Ironically more like positive reactions and dismissive ones against the woman.
Independent of a cap, you don't pay 100% of your salary you pay a percentage. So at the end of they day, the afther still has more money left.
In texas there is a cap at $11.700 which will be $2k. Plenty of money left on the father side to provide better to the child.
And if you don't agree on the bias thing, how about you also bring up anything which supports your argument? Thats how an argument works.
Also you do know that there are 80% single mothers vs. 20% single fathers? 1970 it was btw. only 1%
If a man doesn't want to care for a kid, he doesn't has to while a mother has to. which elads to a wider spectrum of woman having to care for a kid.
Funny enough, i can't ven find a proper source for kids growing up better with a single father.
But i found this: "Children in single-father families exhibit worse behavior, and are slightly disadvantaged in terms of cognitive skills compared with children living with a single mother (Downey, Ainsworth-Darnell, and Dufur 1998)."
"So at the end of they day, the afther still has more money left."
Maybe, maybe not. Oftentimes the formula used ends up making a near even pre-tax split between the parents when the lower earner gets custody. The higher earner also pays the income taxes on the support payment, potentially leaving them with less after taxes. That could be different when factoring in alimony and when the higher earner gets custody.
"In texas there is a cap at $11.700 which will be $2k. Plenty of money left on the father side to provide better to the child."
Texas is an exception and not the rule. It's a major reason people like Elon move/live there.
"If a man doesn't want to care for a kid, he doesn't has to while a mother has to."
This isn't true. Either parent can abandon kids. Both parents have fought for custody in courts. The increase in single father households is a reflection on reduction in gender roles and court bias.
"(Downey, Ainsworth-Darnell, and Dufur 1998)"
That's old and from a time when single father homes were very scarce (by your own admission). Here is an article with multiple studies cited that are more recent.
Ah yes other factors of misogynistics like potential men seeing a single mother as an issue why potential woman might not.
Btw. its also a lot harder for man to get the sole custody which means that only the most motivated and well suited men even achieve this probably also with an expensive lawyer.
