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>I get juniors need to learn

I take it you wee a born senior when you started your career and nobody had to coach you?



I took what I got, which is less than you assume, and didn't demand more. You seem to think I'm arguing against mentorship entirely. I'm not.

I know the value. I didn't get much; I barely even knew my father. I'm going to get distasteful for a moment because of that. You've been warned.

To answer your snide fucking remark: I did in fact succeed without coaching. I wouldn't be so harsh if I hadn't just read you go after someone for a similar attack. Amazing.

Now, back to civility.

There has to be a limit. We don't make seniors to collect them. We have a job to do beyond sustaining the ranks.

Also: it's a subjective title. Who's to say I'm not a junior that snuck in?

Among the pool of seniors there's no consistency in capabilities. It's all arbitrary. Calm down and go back to work.

To close all of this, nobody is owed a promotion or even attention. Selection has to happen. Maybe that's not you this time. Sorry.

While I work from home, I have traveled to teach and attend classes. I get it. I try to use the advantages of both.

It's well established that the way to move up in the industry is by changing jobs. I don't like it but that's how it is. We can team up but I don't like our odds.


Easy mate, take a deep breath. No need to blow your top off over a trivial remark. My observation was not meant to be in bad faith. I'm sorry you took it that way.


We could both learn to take a deep breath, from this. I was fine until you showed up in bad faith. Don't say I took it that way. It was.


Sure, but don't blame your overreaction on others. If someone cuts in front of you in trafic and you get out of the car and beat them up with a a baseball bat in response, it's not an excuse that's gonna hold up in court. Someone's mistake is on them, but your reaction is always on you.


Agreed. I know I'm overreacting. I'm on the internet too much and see this kind of lazy discourse everywhere I look.

It's exhausting and maddening. I literally should touch grass, but that doesn't absolve the world either.

Some of my other posts are even more unhinged. I know I'm slipping. I don't really care.

Still, sorry you had to see it.


Your problem is you're using the Internet wrong. You shouldn't take anything on it seriously.

It's the fun Dionysian night to the boring Apollonian day of real life.


I haven't really had the life to afford taking anything less than serious.

Wasting time like this is all rather new to me. I don't mean to turn this into therapy, but while we're being honest.

I'm like the homeless lottery winner doing themselves in with indulgences. Now that I don't have to fight to stay alive, I'm spinning.


this entire sub-thread and dialogue is like an advertisement for finding a mentor as quick as possible.

on one hand you're talking about how you made it without one, then on the other hand you're also commiserating about being a (metaphorical) homeless lottery winner.

if I was a young'n in the industry i'd read this entire dialogue as a cautionary tale in the same kind of vein as a Zen koan or Aesop fable.


Definitely. Mentorship is symbiotic. I'll even argue therapeutic.

I lacked a lot of it through both work and personal lives. Simply left to figure things out. That, of course, had some impact. Certain skills are strong, others are weak.

I feel that's why I do well at SRE. Natural paranoia and so on. It also makes me goal oriented to the point of being nearly anti-social.

Overall, I'd say I'm worse off for my experiences. It makes me great when the sky is falling. It pretty much always is.

Due to that, I try to reflect and teach as much as I can. I'm one of the fortunate ones. While I'm here, I had to leave a lot of people behind. They can't speak at all.

That sounds like a war story, but aside from the 'atomic family', I'm really just talking about people who quit/moved elsewhere.

Filtering exists in the real world (work/personal), too - not just college. The things we do, and don't do, apply.

A weekly social event would do me a world of good, but I can't. That part of me is broken. Dress it up with work and I'm fine.

Helping people actually helps me. To hear that, no actually - my help isn't enough, was grating. It was wrong to take personally. Soft spot.




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