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I'm bored of Raspberry releasing endless minuscule and weak boards. I want a Raspberry Pi 5, like Pi 4 but with much more powerful CPU (so YouTube wouldn't be so slow - now the video plays OK but the UI is a pain) and IO (so I would be able to bit a multi-gigabit router+firewall+vpn on it).

Nevertheless, whatever they do is awesome anyway.



It sounds like you don't want a raspberry pi?


Perhaps. I want something 100% compatible to Raspberry Pi (so it would support "hats" designed for the original Raspberry PI and also sun the original Raspberry PI OS, not the x86 clone) but way more powerful (for the reasons I mentioned - browsing the "modern" websites like YouTube without tears + networking). And no, mini-ITX won't fit in the place I need to put it.


Yeah, I find I am the opposite in that I don't want the Pi 4, think the Pi 3 is sort of the sweet spot for performance/price.

Pi Zero's have such wonky connectors....


I wouldn't bank on a 5th edition Pi any time soon. The supply chain issues for the pi4 have meant stock shortages for months on end and it probably won't let up.

I'm guessing the Pico is a much simpler thing to make and in high quantities, so much easier to churn out to meet the demand


Yay, another useless 3.3 V microcontroller that needs a level shifter to do basically anything.


many i/o chips take 3.3V, especially for those with an I2C interface 3V3 ... 5V seems to be the norm. 5V only was 80s.


I just used a Pico in a project a couple weeks ago and didn't need to do any level shifting at all. I'm kinda shit at circuit design, though, so maybe I did something wrong lol


Many circuits take "3.3 - 5V" inputs, so a 3.3V driver will usually work... unless literally anything goes wrong.

They will usually work as far down as 3V, for that matter. These are analog systems, and there's a big difference between "works" and "works reliably, for months and years".


Do you know of a chip that has 5V tolerance and ample GPIO? Needs to be ready to ship right now, and a $5 dev board would be nice.


The ESP32 has unofficial 5V tolerance on most pins so it can for example handle 5V serial with no problems (but can't output 5V of course), but my go-to is still the Arduino Nano for most things.


Yes, it wont interface directly with all the ECL circuits you keep in the basement.


If everyone went 3.3 V....


That's not the primary mission of the Raspberry Pi Foundation, yes things change overtime but I think it would be a major mistake to make the Raspberry Pi into a product in a classical way ( even if a large chunk of their success is coming from "the market" )

In current market conditions what you want would cost at the very least $100 and would require active cooling some of the workloads. The question is: would you buy it in those conditions? Most people don't and worse than that, the Raspberry folks would "lose focus in their mission" and the "product" would be just another one in a sea of clones.


> another one in a sea of clones

Is there a clone which can browse modern heavyweight web (like YouTube) without tears, runs the original Raspberry Pi OS (not the x86 clone), has the same (or bigger) set of GPIO pins and supports Raspberry PI hats? More IO would also be great to have. I don't mind if it costs some hundreds dollars. I'd love to have passive cooling though. And it has to be approximately the same size, MiniITX won't fit.


With all those requirements, I don't think so.

The problem with the "clones" is they are more or less the same but have one or two components as their strong point, one has a beefier CPU, the other has more IO, one has an "AI engine", etc but when it comes to smooth performance for the "normal" end-user, ie. run a bunch of tabs with "modern" sites in a smooth way every time you'll need to enter x86 territory. Then this whole affordable SBC tinker thing doesn't make sense because these are 2 different worlds.

I know because I've been obsessing for a sub ~$70 SBC that supports a bunch of SATA disks ( natively, no USB trickery ) for a decade.

Up until Apple's M1, desktop ARM was always an "almost there" experience at best and most were a terrible experience. ( Software is a big part in this too )

In the next few year I think things will change for the better.




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