Ok thanks. Note that the subject has moved from the initial questioning of the claim that military leaders "have thought quite long and hard about their moral positions. It is the nature of the business, when sending people to die, to question everything about yourself." Killjoywashere was asked "Do you have any data backing up this claim?"
And in answer was given these 'failures of leadership', which seem to be PR disasters (the problem was not that they happened but that people found out about them - "simply the troops indiscipline becoming known to the public" - things that couldn't possibly be spun as the greatest country on Earth doing God's work) or people not doing their duty.
The moral dimension has entirely disappeared, which rather supports garyhunt's suspicions. Maybe questioning everything about your country is more important than 'questioning everything about yourself'. More important for the hundreds of thousands that were killed, at least.
And in answer was given these 'failures of leadership', which seem to be PR disasters (the problem was not that they happened but that people found out about them - "simply the troops indiscipline becoming known to the public" - things that couldn't possibly be spun as the greatest country on Earth doing God's work) or people not doing their duty.
The moral dimension has entirely disappeared, which rather supports garyhunt's suspicions. Maybe questioning everything about your country is more important than 'questioning everything about yourself'. More important for the hundreds of thousands that were killed, at least.