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Why abolish ICE? What specifically is the issue with ICE short of news and celebrities demanding it because it’s in vogue?

They serve a legitimate law enforcement function in our country, which by last check doesn’t have open borders and prosecutes those that cross illegally?



ICE has a weird history going back a long time. They've inked a lot of warrants for.. software piracy, actually. Yeah, not across borders, not like involving immigrants, just, ye olde plain jane software piracy.

Note that I'm not saying we should be getting rid of Customs and Border Patrol, nor am I saying anything crazy like we shouldn't have borders. The problem with ICE is that they're a weird pet agency under DHS that has a lot of power, minimal oversight, and a history of abusing their power.

They also do some exceptionally terrible things like snatching immigrants from courtrooms instead of you know, using local police forces like they should.


Because ICE was the result of 9/11 hysteria, it's a government organization whose duties were already being done elsewhere.

I don't think people realize it was only formed in 2003...


I don't see what it being formed in 2003 has to do with anything.

What exactly is being advocated in abolishing ICE when you bring up that another agency was doing its duties? Are you saying that other agency can take over those duties again?

Most of the abolish ICE crowd just wants to get rid of ICE and ICE's duties. I don't think they want the CBP doing roughly the same thing ICE is doing. They'll just demand we abolish CBP.


ICE is extremely militaristic in its approach. Think if it like replacing all police officers with SWAT team members.


ICE has a history of horrible treatment of detainees, it abuses its authority and I find it strange that small government conservatives love it the most.




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