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The founding fathers created a document that was already struggling with modern realities prior to Trump. 250 years is not a particularly impressive amount of time for a country to not fall apart.

The U.S. Constitution is older than the current constitution of every EU member state and has remained continuously in force longer than any of them.

A country that is a thousand years old is obviously going to have to change its constitution.

European countries have gone from massive societal changes to massive societal changes (for example from monarchies to republics).

The USA is a new country, and its constitutional rigidity causes a lot of social and political problems that most likely will lead to big changes in the future.

Yes, some countries in Europe remained monarchies for 1500 years or longer. They didn't really have a constituion back then because they were not republics.


They really did have constitutions back then. Substantial constitutions. With many many many documents over hundreds of years.

  A constitution, or supreme law, is the aggregate of fundamental principles or established precedents that constitute the legal basis of a polity, organization or other type of entity, and commonly determines how that entity is to be governed. [0]
Their entire history of implementing and applying principles of Roman Law and other creeds was their ever growing constitution.

> The USA is a new country, and its constitutional rigidity

and general loudness on the matter of "what is a constitution and why ours is the first and the greatest" has caused much confusion given they have such a short and barely evolved one.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution


UK has been a constitutional monarchy since 1215 Magna Carta

Only if you overlook the time it was a republic 1649 to 1660

You know that's not a good thing, right?

Care to elaborate on concrete examples on where it struggled? 250 years is quite impressive even if you don't believe it or not because only a handful of countries in the whole world has an older constitution.

There was a civil war, that killed millions, it was fought over slavery.

250 years is commendable, but it wasn't without problems.

'stable' as we understand it is relatively modern.


US Constitution has aged pretty well. Some things in there don't seem as relevant today, but some are more relevant now than ever.


Yeah the 3rd is what I had in mind as not so relevant

really? The Onion as a source?

As a humorous illustration of the point (of the presence of what is now low relevance content in the constitution.)

Let's try to figure out where the 3rd amendment might actually have significance in the future. Maybe in space habitats? Or could forced installation of government AI in systems be considered a 3rd amendment violation?


>250 years is not a particularly impressive amount of time for a country to not fall apart.

250 years is older than almost every country in Europe (by that I mean current borders and form of government, not the ancient historical ones).

Most were monarchies or various forms of dictatorship till only a few decades ago and finally settled on their current borders only after WW2 or the fall of the USSR or the Yugoslav wars.

For example Spain had its first democratic elections in 1977 and then the UK was dealing with "The Troubles" sectarian conflict in northern Ireland. Europe always was a powder keg around forms of governance, culture, religion and sects. All that is not something that goes away overnight just because EU membership happened.

In contrast, 250 years of continuous governance and conflict free stability is super impressive by that standard.


> conflict free stability is super impressive by that standard.

Not much happened between 1861 and 1865?


In terms of European history that barely counts a page, not even a chapter.

"250 years is not a particularly impressive amount of time for a country to not fall apart." ?

Sure it is, it's very impressive.

What other nations have lasted that long?

Chinese Dynasties usually collapse within that range.

Aside from the UK, maybe Sweden (?) which have been fairly contiguous, most nations are more short-lived. France is on it's 5th Republic in the same time-frame.

America is way more than the gong show in charge right now.

Most of the 'tests' of it's integrity are due to really just that one guy.

But you're right to point out inherent problems with the Union.

Because EU is not a 'right wing flag waving' entity, we don't really think about it in terms of 'nationalism', but the EU has among the loudest, most clearly visceral and virulent nationalist supporters.

You can say anything you want about national governments but critique of the EU is met with a lot of rancour.

I've worked for EU bodies, it's full of well meaning people and it has tremendous value as an economic unions, but as a political entity it has existential flaws, too many to name, and it is absolutely an elitist project and it absolutely has a 'regulate first' attitude, which is quite upside down.

'Doing The Stuff' matters 10x more than 'Talking About The Stuff'.


If I put a project on github that says "don't use this with mysql" and you use it with mysql and it drops your tables is it sql injection? Seems very different to me.

Everything turns on intent. "This is not tested with mysql" is very different from "I'm going to go out of my way to fuck up your mysql."

As much as I would like to agree, this is a pretty clear CFAA violation. If the intent is to purposefully destroy/delete data, the 'how' really makes no difference. But IANAL.

It's certainly unauthorized access if you intentionally built it with the goal of harming other peoples systems, especially if you hid that action from them the way our self-righteous friend here did.

You are authorized to do what the user agreed to, no more. Further the agreement must be reasonable. Exploiting the victims system to intentionally cause harm isn't reasonable.

F-secure once included a clause to use their wifi that you "assign their first born child to us for the duration of eternity." It was funny, but not legally enforceable and would have offered them no legal shelter if they'd gone out on a kidnapping spree that night.


Let's give it a try and see. Maybe better things ARE possible

You are playing a role at every job. In 20+ years I've never had a job where there would be no negative consequences for speaking truth to power

Easy to say it all worked out fine when you aren't one of the people who was displaced. They might feel differently.

It may have worked out fine for humanity as a whole, but it ignores the suffering of a lot of people.


I mentioned in my other comments that I did support welfare programs as safety nets.

Progress will result in better standards of living for many, and then we take care of the people left behind.

I’m in software - in all likelihood, I will be displaced at some point. But I’ll figure it out (I hope). When I started out, I was writing Perl. Then I had to learn Python.


How about we set up that safety net first for once then?

You don't put on your seat belt during an accident, you don't start driving until it is on.


Who is “we?”

This is taking a weird tone where it sounds like you’re asking me to change society for you, and blaming me for not doing it fast enough when I haven’t heard you mention a thing you’ve done either.

Like I said man, I voted for people who support sensible welfare programs. That’s my contribution.

Stop taking this out on me - if you’re so fired up about it, go get involved and start knocking on doors.


The emphatic literally has been in use for over 300 years, it's time to let it go

Yeah... because Amazon is famous for caring about safety over profits...

If Amazon's stake in Anthropic goes up 10x, but American national security is fatally compromised in the process, I kinda doubt that's net profitable for Amazon. They're not going to be able to deliver in 2 days or hit AWS sales targets if everyone's drowning in cyberattacks.

Isn't that what the entire billionaire class has been doing for decades though? Making profit go up and up while destroying national security? They don't seem to feel it's a net negative.

No? I'm really not sure what you could be referring to. Tech billionaires are if anything too willing to follow the government's lead on national security; they don't seem to have particularly minded the whole PRISM saga, even knowing that it would fatally compromise their relationships with privacy organizations.

National security doesn't mean the MIC, it means the factors that enable the country to continue to exist.

It's more like a hypothetical world where there were millions of smokers and none of them ever developed lung cancer

Managers DO cross team boundaries though, their peers are other managers. I can't talk to the 100 people in my department every week, but my manager can talk to their 9 peers, who each talk to their 10 reports.

Precisely! And this is true not just for managers but also higher-level ICs. Its ok for Senior and below to be team focused, but moving to the next level means broadening scope and that means talking with people, regularly!, outside your immediate team.

And at larger companies, teams and groups are often geographically distributed if only in other buildings and office locations.

But the initial claim was that 1:1 meetings "add value to the team". I can believe that they add value to the manager's manager, but they are not adding value to the team of the person being met with.

Yeah has anyone discovered sociocracy?

https://www.sociocracyforall.org/sociocracy/


Yeah, it would take me about 15 minutes to find several examples of people on HN claiming hallucinations are a solved problem

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