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I believe that the average elo of players is increasing since powerful chess AI / Go AI.

Elo is zero sum. Each point gained by one player is lost by another. It follows that the mean elo is always exactly equal to the initial elo assigned to new players before they play any games, and can't change over time. If the highest ranked player are higher elo than before, the lower ranked players must be lower elo.

>Elo is zero sum.

In a closed, static pool only.


Right, but you have to give the new players some rating, and as long as that number remains constant it will also be the mean Elo. Therefore, "new players entering the pool" can't cause a rise in mean Elo. As for lower rated players leaving, that could indeed raise the mean (assuming you stop counting them in the average), but that changes the point from "players have gotten better because of AI" to "worse players are more likely to just give up on chess because of AI", which is a significantly less optimistic picture IMO.

Was the average ELO of players approximately stable before chess engines?

> Does not make any sense for them since it’s not a unique environment.

nonsense. If it worked for one hotel, that would be ground breaking. Hotels would line up to have theirs be the next test case.


He means it doesn’t make sense for the startup. The comment you’re replying to, is arguing that this point from the gp is a disadvantage instead of an advantage:

> hotel rooms are regular/familiar


Some schools don’t allow children to leave the classroom to get a drink of water unless it’s at recess or between classes. So that’s why they carry water bottles nowadays.

Kids aren’t allowed to go to the toilet in the middle of a class?

Though I don’t remember not being allowed to drink something between class breaks ever being a problem growing up. Classes aren’t that long.

The other thing is that we mostly only had glass bottles back then, so of course kids wouldn’t carry those around.


Leaving the classroom to pee was frowned upon during lessons, and during breaks obviously there was a queue.

Progress! When I was in school we weren't allowed to leave class OR have a water bottle. If you had food... good luck, that was like the worst school crime for some reason.

From my cursory search, it just looks like they have a stock ownership position in Roland, not any real say in how Roland is ran. Kinda like how Game Stop has a position with eBay.

On the upside, perhaps the LLM will understand the intent of search operators now.

I'm slightly curious how PG handles heavily illustrated books. I've downloaded some years ago, and the quality of the illustrations was always pretty poor. Has it been improved lately? What's the QA like for illustrations?


Nowadays we depend on scans from Internet Archive, Hathitrust, and other sources. Some scans are better than others. Bear in mind that our illustrations need to be in the public domain and usually from the same edition as the text. https://www.gutenberg.org/help/errata.html


It's the OODA loop for LLMs writing code.


Which reverb and at what levels? It's way, way faster to hot swamp for previewing and getting the sound at what levels. Same with drums, I believe there are about 10 different kits per each of the 909 and 808 flavors in the factory tool kit. Typing out claude commands to do this kinda thing would be way slower than actually doing it. I'm not opposed to LLMs having control of the ableton interface, but adding and tweaking devices is going to be glacially slower via an LLM.


You could write this from the perspective of a historical luddite [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite] and the points would be identical.


And they had a valid point.


I am glad I don't live in a world where clothing costs as much of my income as it would have if I lived in the early 19th century.


This person is a Luddite. I just don't think that implies what most people on HN wish it would imply, though, as reading thea actual article shows. You don't even need to ask your LLM of choice to summarize it for you, as the salient point is contained within the first two paragraphs: paragraph one, the Luddites were workers protesting their terrible living conditions. Paragraph two, these workers were jailed and killed by the government.

Then, further down the article, it elaborates:

> The Luddite movement emerged during the harsh economic climate of the Napoleonic Wars, which saw a rise in difficult working conditions in the new textile factories paired with decreasing birth rates and a rise in education standards in England and Wales.

> Luddites were not opposed to the use of machines per se (many were skilled operators in the textile industry); they attacked manufacturers who were trying to circumvent standard labour practices of the time.

>The crisis led to widespread protest and violence, but the middle classes and upper classes strongly supported the government, which used the army to suppress all working-class unrest, especially the Luddite movement.


This is a tired, weak, and pathetic argument. Opposition to technology is very reasonable if that technology is doing more harm than good.

In the case of present-day LLMs, the vast majority of the public finds them to be more harmful than beneficial.

Why accept a decreasing quality of live instead of sensible regulation?


> the vast majority of the public finds them to be more harmful than beneficial.

Examples of ridiculous and incorrect beliefs once held by majorities:

- Spontaneous generation

- "Miasma" causes disease

- Earth is at the centre of the universe

- The heart is the seat of thought and the brain is useless

- Cold weather causes colds

Don't trust "the vast majority" to get anything right, ever.


Examples of reasonable beliefs held by the public:

Killing is bad. Kids should be protected.

I mean you have a point it’s just not particularly useful or helpful for the conversation


"Won't somebody think of the children" is constantly used sarcastically in order to dismiss the concerns of people who want to ban something they claim is harmful to children. This is often a completely justified rejoinder - many regulatory policies that thoughtless people argue for in the name of children's safety are counterproductive, disproportional, or otherwise harmful.


I understand your point and clearly see that LLMs cannot be compared to audio ... but ...

Back when I was a kid, music, audio and sound systems had high quality as a standard.

Nowadays people listen to music mostly with bluetooth headphones which basically recompress an already compressed audio signal to send them in low quality. Also, it is more and more difficult to find OK stereos that play music in good quality. Either, you have to pay very high prices for overpriced "audiophile" equipment, or you are stuck with cheap chinese MP3 players.

Yet, society and markets have spoken. Sometimes society is happy to accept marginally worse products in exchange of price and convenience.


What would that sensible regulation look like?


This line again.


If you believe in an ideology almost identical to another ideology you can't expect people not to draw comparisons.


Doesn't load on latest firefox.


Would you mind trying now? If it still doesn't work, it could be Firefox Enhanced Tracking Protection blocking Supabase. Thank you for the feedback.


Thank you, I appreciate the feedback, I'll check it out.


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