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it screems vibecoding without the slightest idea what they doing.

The first two games to fall in love with - Karatéka and then Alley Cat.

In 7th grade social studies, I did a report for a class project, and printed the Karateka opening screen on my apple image writer as the cover page. I got an A+ because of that cover!

Desperately trying to jump on that bin to avoid the dog only to be pushed back by another cat peering over...

simple but good times


this’ the other Max from China, where they be scavenging leftover panels. The Mad Max we know surely happens somewhere else, and perhaps near Texas given all the participating parties…

Doesn’t take intelligence to beat a human.

Yea why everyone forgets the process wars have long ago started and raging like never :))

Depending on which vinyl you're talking about. I care very little about big names signed to big corpo - they can do whatever they want to their vinyl. There are plenty of indi/underground artists releasing both on vinyl and tampe, who succumbed to nothing, but are alive and well actually. Check bandcamp more often for clues, should you disagree.

PSA: https://dr.loudness-war.info/ is a great place to look for info on dynamic range of releases, and also, a great place to find new music with excellent dynamic range.

Good site, but it has some frustrating limitations that make it vastly less useful, specifically regarding the phenomenon in the article. The search UI doesn’t expose the release code (and many entries don’t even include it), so when it says “vinyl” you have no idea which of the possibly dozens of releases it refers to, some of which can be awful, like the article points out.

I’m willing to help fix this, but the source code is not public, and when I emailed the author I got no response.


PSA 2: the formula used here can easily be gamed via inaudible phase alteration and can't be used to compare CD and LP. Ears are still much better until a correctly designed metric arrives.

Would engineers purposefully game the metric, though?

There are usefull software components (=extensions) for the foobar2000 music player (sadly Windows only player) that can analyze the dynamic range and loudness according to EBU standards.

foo_dr_meter: A simple Dynamic Range meter based on DR estimation formula published by https://dr.loudness-war.info/

foo_truepeak: ITU-R BS.1770-5 compliant True Peak scanner.

ReplayGain is part of the core components of foobar2000, so automatically adjusting the volume depending on the loudness of the trakc or entire album is pretty much a default feature of this player. The latter two components, especially the latter one give valuable insights into the loudness and mastering quality of a recording. True Peak can calculate the Peak-to-Integrated Loudness of a recording for example the headroom between loudest part and the maximum possible loudness of the format, or it tells you the loudness range in LUFS meaning how squished or wide the dynamic range of a track is. Really nifty if you have a huge music collection and need numbers to quickly compare releases.


Small correction: the formula itself was published by the Pleasurize Music Foundation (https://web.archive.org/web/20131206121248/http://www.dynami... ), not by loudness-war.info (which publishes only the results of the formula on various releases).

There are other tools that can compute it, including MAAT DROffline MkII (proprietary), as well as a couple open-source, Python-based tools (DR14 T.meter, DR Check), or https://github.com/sboukortt/speedr in C++.


Foobar2000 is not Windows only. https://www.foobar2000.org/

Exactly! Jeffrey Martin https://jeffreymartinportland.bandcamp.com/album/alive-july-... double LP on vinyl is a pleasure.

Yeah, I know a lot of indie artists. Most of that vinyl is produced straight off the 44.1/16 digital master. If you think it's analog (or in many cases even properly mastered at all), you're fooling yourself.

The "loudness war" issue is not inherent to digital sources. Nor is it something you need to "master the record out of". It's sufficient to not break it in the first place.

>44.1/16 digital

This is already way beyond what vinyl is able to reproduce. The best case is roughly 12-bits PCM equivalent. Literally not an issue in the slightest.


That's not true anymore. I've heard about complains about badly compressed vinyl releases by indie artists. Just a few days ago I came across a comment on discogs.com about this issue: https://www.discogs.com/release/37244526-April-VISTA-Traditi...

The issue is that vinyl mastering is a special case and different from digital mastering. You have to consider extra things like the width of the grooves, they can vary depending on the runtime of a side, this affects low frequencies as grooves might cut into each other and you'll get skips. And high frequencies degrade the closer you get towards the center of the record. I just think the people who can do this craft are simply retiring or dying out. This affects major label and indie artists alike.


This is mostly the result of a lot of vinyl factories having shut down due to vinyl becoming mostly irrelevant after the release of more convenient formats like the CD. At least irrelevant enough to make factories unsustainable. Most modern vinyls have extremely bad quality, I'd even go as far and say almost all freshly produced vinyls. Source: I've worked in a high end luxury HiFi store for years prior to getting into tech, selling turn tables, tube amps, speakers and basically whatever you can think off in that space.

Well, nice try, but sadly maintaining up to date GIS data takes much more than a UI. The only thing that gets close to such datalake is perhaps OSM and ESRI World Atlas... but nothing is close to huggingface or github as positioning. Besides, data is a live thing, and all such cartography very quickly dates and gets irrelevant or incorrect.

Mapcomplete is literally an OSM editor though... xd

Looks like you missed that MapComplete is an alternative interface to view OSM data and contribute to it.

I can well see and disambiguate what it is and is not what QGIs aims to be. Nothing is close to QGIS in terms of features, it deploys 1gig of open tech. The only trouble is the design of the app haven’t changed much in 20 years, while data sizes did 10x at least on every level. It struggles to breath u der heavy load…

What does QGIS have to do with this? It's not even an OSM editor.

QGIS will either get an LLM-assistent rewrite, or the next QGIS is already in the making in Rust/Swift somewhere. It is incredible it still works in v4.

and how is this, having containers run hardware one owns, a bad or even shameful idea, given people do it and want to do it with their hardware all the time?

> aving containers run hardware one owns, a bad or even shameful idea

what? it isn't, it's absolutely a right you surely have. The problem is that

a. Apple forces people to buy Macs to build, notarise and deploy iOS and macOS apps b. Apple refuses to implement jails which is something that every OS, including Windows, has nowadays c. Apple only allows you to have 2 VMs - full, fat, with GUI - on each Mac computer, running at once c. Jails/Containers would allow you to easily deploy multiple jobs, which would allow you to have N jobs in parallel, which would mean you'd need way less Mac Studios/Mini in your local CI


One thing I can tell you is you are either favored by Anthropic, or your version of the CLI does not exhaust limits, or there's some major bug, as two people around me (myself included) claim it took half an hour to hit the ceiling. Which makes it practically unusable, where the same workflow a day ago produced a good 5-6 hours of workload with several agents.

Monetization is coming. They'll tell companies, AI is replacing your workers, so it is still worth to pay 100K/year for the license, as those AI are not going to jump to other job, get sick, be late, complain, require free coffee and so on.

Soon the times of AI for $20/$200 a month will be long gone.


Get people hooked, tell them spending time coding is no longer needed, let their skills deteriorate, tell them they need cough up for a licence to do their job

Forcing developers to pay for models that were build on code they scraped scott-free

A tax to do their job that developers are jumping at the chance to pay

Everybody's finally realising that node dependencies are a threat, but letting these AI companies gatekeep the industry is a bandwagon people are scrambling towards


> Forcing developers to pay for models that were build on code they scraped scott-free.

Yes this makes me sad behound explanation. Specially when I see open source developers happily using these tools. These companies stole your, free, hard work and charge you a subscription!! Not to speak about them torrenting books and (most likely) training on private repos.

This and devs paying a subscription to use a tool that is marketed as trying to replace them.

I had 150$ monthly budget thatbI used for various open source projects and I've cut that entirelly.


> These companies stole your, free, hard work and charge you a subscription!!

In case you weren't aware, Anthropic, OpenAI and GitHub Copilot all have programs that provide access to open source maintainers for free:

GitHub: https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/copilot-on-github...

Anthropic: https://claude.com/contact-sales/claude-for-oss

OpenAI: https://developers.openai.com/community/codex-for-oss


> The Claude for Open Source Program is our way of saying thank you for all your hard work, with 6 months of free Claude Max 20x. Apply now.

> Six months of ChatGPT Pro with Codex for day-to-day coding, triage, review, and maintainer workflows

Those are free trials pending their approval in hopes of more paying customers, nothing more.


Was there comprehensive survey amongst maintainers that its fair price for decades of hard work?

I don't get what you're saying. You're frustrated that Open Source projects were used to build these AIs and that OS devs (or devs in general) are paying to use AI.

Then you say you had money that you used to donate(?) to OS and have cut that because of the frustration?

Open source just means sharing the source code for people to learn off or have the ability to customize on their own. I don't think there is any need to be frustrated about that (now if it was copyright/private of course).


> Open source just means sharing the source code for people to learn off or have the ability to customize on their own.

Yes people, not corporations. The point is there a licenses to be respected that weren't.


Model training pretty clearly falls under fair use.

We could fix that, but it requires a political will to change the law.


This has not been determined in courts and your willingness to speak so confidently about it speaks volumes.

The closest we've come to a court decision on this so far has been the Anthropic case, which did indeed find that training on unlicensed data falls under fair use: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25982181-authors-v-a...

> To summarize the analysis that now follows, the use of the books at issue to train Claude and its precursors was exceedingly transformative and was a fair use under Section 107 of the Copyright Act. And, the digitization of the books purchased in print form by Anthropic was also a fair use but not for the same reason as applies to the training copies. Instead, it was a fair use because all Anthropic did was replace the print copies it had purchased for its central library with more convenient space-saving and searchable digital copies for its central library — without adding new copies, creating new works, or redistributing existing copies.


If you look carefully model training is a very good relicensing exercise of your code

> Forcing developers to pay for models that were build on code they scraped scott-free

That's also caused by some very smart (even brilliant) developers (you can see many of them in this very thread) choosing to be oblivious about all this and bury us all under, hoping that they'll be among the last ones to go. Writing this down I realise that they maybe aren't all that smart.


I've been saying this since the beginning, the rug pull is coming. If these models can eventually replace a human worker, there is no reason these companies won't charge (and get away with it) very close to a typical SWE salary.

It would not surprise me one bit to see anywhere from $80k-$100k/seat pricing.


Unless there is competition (e.g. Chinese models, taking you 80% there, but costing 20x less)

As someone noted here recently - use the frontier models as much as u can, while you can.

AI for $20/month won't ever go away, but it won't be the absolute latest and greatest frontier model.

Most of us don't need a model that can prove the Riemann hypothesis or Goldbach's conjecture in order to get work done.


Thankfully, we have Chinese models we can use for a fraction of the price.

Not everyone needs a Ferrari to go for a weekly shopping.


A Ferrari will likely lap you when you’re racing, though, and the market and the economy is a race. You’ll be facing a question soon, or your employer will, whether to spend a significant chunk of free cash on fable-class tokens or on literally anything else instead - wages and salaries included.

<< You’ll be facing a question soon, or your employer will

Maybe? If you talk to executives, the impression that I am getting is that they tend to be somewhat misinformed at best, which, yes, is bound to result in some really bad decisions down the road. But, and it is not a small but, the ones I did talk to ( and, amusingly, those are the ones with strong opinions ) don't seem to have a lot, um, practical exposure to this tech beyond what they heard at the watercooler. Honestly, it is kinda infuriating. And all this before we get to how companies want to say they use AI, but also keep cost down.


Yeah, sure. In the same way I can see only Ferraris driving as taxis, company cars, transport vehicles, used by post, delivery services ...

You and your work are not that special, you are not participating in car races, and you don't need a Ferrari.


They are most likely shills from Anthropic, there's quite a few here everytime new models come out.

That's not fair. Simon is a well-known shill for the entire AI industry, not just Anthropic.

What's your definition of "shill"?

Merriam-Webster: noun, 1b: one who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter

You might want to ask the guy who said it first what he meant; I was just pointing out that your work isn't particularly Anthropic-biased, in my experience.


Probably means fan, shills have undisclosed ties and I doubt he means Simon has undisclosed ties to the entire AI industry, that would be very impressive if so.

Ah, yeah. I've noticed people also starting to just use "slop" to also mean "anything I see online that I don't like" now, too.

Words apparently don't mean anything anymore.


It’s not meant for subscription users; the subscriptions are just the gateway drug to Enterprise pricing which Anthropic intends to use to juice their numbers before IPO.

Or use API billing? We have access to it at my company with no limits

Are you on the $100/month subscription?

I am, and I used up the entire 5 hour window in 8min using the highest thinking setting. It also ate up $15 of extra usage before I noticed.

I’ve done the same thing with opus multiple times with no issue. According to ccusage I racked up just shy of $100 of tokens using Fable.

It spun up subagents or workflows or whatever so obviously that contributed but “double opus” was not my experience. I’ve done the exact same prompt with opus on the highest setting and only once before (not even while using this prompt) hit my limits.

My prompt? I’m not a prompt wizard or anything but it was literally:

> Please review the uncommitted code in this repo for bugs/issues/code smells.

I use variations on that all the time with opus and never had issues. I figured it was a good one to kick the tires with Fable. Little did I know it would mean no more Claude Code for the next 4.5hrs (unless I wanted to pay) after this being the first time I had used CC that day (yesterday).

All in all, a pretty crappy first experience.


Try running this command: and see what it thinks you spent at API prices:

  uvx agentsview usage daily
Then edit the config file to add Fable pricing as described here: https://til.simonwillison.net/llms/agentsview-custom-model-p...

And run the command again. I get $126.89 for yesterday.


Hmm, I tried that and made the config file change but it didn't work for me. I just see:

    DATE        INPUT    OUTPUT   CACHE_CR  CACHE_RD   COST     MODELS
    ----        -----    ------   --------  --------   ----     ------
    2026-06-09  142015   85315    321224    6880110    $10.96   claude-fable-5, gpt-5.5, claude-haiku-4-5-20251001

I tried to filter down to just fable (or 5.5 so I could deduct it) but the `--agent` flag doesn't seem to work how I'd expect...

I think the $10.96 is coming from gpt-5.5 since I switched to it once I exhausted all my usage on CC. CCusage reports completely different numbers so I don't know which one of those is right.

Thanks for trying, for yesterday ccusage says "$92.02" for claude, which I assumed was the Fable usage.


If you run this:

  uvx agentsview serve
You'll get a localhost web application which makes it much easier to filter by model.

That's very interesting, I had not used agentsview at all before today and I'll have to keep that in my back pocket.

Unfortunately it's not telling the whole story. The last message from the _only_ Fable session it monitored was:

> The data layer looks clean — <REDACTED>. Now waiting on the 11-angle workflow — verification and the gap sweep run after the finders; I'll compile the full ranked findings list when it completes.

And my memory jives with that, I could see in the footer that it had spun up 11 agents (though agentsview says it used 0 subagents, don't know if it was "actually" workflows that it spun up?). It's like it didn't record the sub-sessions/sub-agents info?

I'm still shocked that my prompt (which I now can see thanks to this tool) of:

> Please review all the uncommitted work in this repo and identify any issues.

was able to burn so much, so quickly, and, most frustratingly, without actually doing anything useful because killing it was my only option lest it spend even more of "extra usage".

Overview of usage: https://cs.joshstrange.com/RjGzWVXy

Stats for that 1 session: https://cs.joshstrange.com/Fj5qv1wl


Can you tell in AgentsView if Fable spun up a bunch of Opus/Haiku/etc subagents that burned tokens as well?

It's as if it spun up a bunch of subagents but agentsview doesn't report on it. I see a tiny bit of Haiku use once I turn on all models (except gpt-5.5).

https://cs.joshstrange.com/z9x6SPcC


simonw, if you are not bumping up against the same false-positive guardrail problems and budget consumption that everyone else is, then that is something worth digging into. I would normally say that's crazy but IPOs put weird pressure on companies.

I've had a couple of guardrail blocks.

I've been watching my usage quota bars drop as I use the model, so I don't think I have a weird quota issue going on here.


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