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I had fun with it for about a week, but the thing that disappointed me the most wasn't the technology, it was the _people_. You have a machine that can make anything you can imagine, and the space of what people were exploring was so _small_.

The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

I don't know why this is voted down, because it's absolutely true. The only way for the US to regain the lost trust is to finally clean house, hold its corrupt leadership accountable. Throw them in prison, seize their illegitimately gotten assets, reform that broken political system, and educate your people so this doesn't happen again.

Nuremberg style judicial proceedings.

Not necessarily with similar judicial executions. Fair trials and fair and exemplary punitive measures would be enough for me.

I lost respect when Obama let Bush Jr administration off the hook. It essentially set the tone that it is ok to behave like that, that there would be no consequences.


nah the world needs to see there are consequences, and that the US can be trusted to follow through on them.

this kind of corruption and extortion, if in China, would see executions, e.g.

https://nordictimes.com/world/china-executes-senior-official...


Death sentences worry me because they are irreversible and can be abused and they have been, see Pakistan, Bangladesh.

At most, old Singapore style corporeal punishment added to the mix perhaps.


I am very eager to understand the down votes. Corporeal punishment too harsh to allow in exceptional cases or too mild for the warcrimes and other crimes in question ?

I will not judge the responses. Just curious.


Bush wasn't great with Iraq, but it was hardly the first bad foreign policy move the US has made, and Obama wasn't squeaky clean.

Jan 6th 2021 was the turning point.


Abu Ghraib, and deliberate violent destruction of a nation is a deeper offence than being "not great".

We need a Nuremberg trial for the genocide in Gaza, the ethnic cleansing in Lebanon, the ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, and the illegal attacks on 7 countries in the Middle East.

We need to prosecute both the Biden and Trump administration, the Israeli leadership, and the leadership of most European countries. Never again is never again.


If so, then also do the leadership of Hamas, Putin, etc. The US is not uniquely evil.

What Israel and the USA is doing in the ME is uniquely evil. There are likely hundreds of thousands dead in Gaza. Children intentionally killed by snipers, famine as a tool of war, the displacement of millions of people.

It was very obvious that Trump is a highly corrupt and incompetent person at the second term election. His voters do not disappear when he is in prison, neither would the US reputation suddenly be way better. Who will these people elect next, why should anyone trust the US anymore?

Imprisonment would be a good starting point though. Together with education, regulation and reforming the political system. But this takes decades.


And change the constitution to fix the issue of an administration just ignoring the law.

Lol we cant even change the electoral college. No way we amend the constitution.

Following the precedents of imprisoning and persecuting the previous regime on "corruption" charges established by the likes of much of Latin America, Pakistan, the Phillipines, and other similar countries will definitely mark the USA as a second-rate tin-pot dictatorship.

Maybe the predecessor regime is corrupt. Maybe not. But the first thing the new regime always does is to arrange the show trials to establish their own bona fides.


They don't necessarily have to be show trials.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Yoon_Suk_Yeol


Lets also include the Rothschild and BlackRock then

The absolute lack of consequences Trump faced after his first go-around all but guaranteed the crime spree we're now seeing, and will probably go down in history as the primary blunder of Biden's DOJ.

The precedent was already set by Nixon's pardon. The signal was clear: presidents suffer no consequences for their crimes.

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Lol they are definitely all criminals. There's no way they aren't. For starters it's common knowledge that Trump is a paedophile and a rapist.

> Obama bombed kids in the Middle East

You are aware that Trump is bombing Iran right now, and bombed a girl's school in particular?


False equivalence.

Imprison based on what and seize assets based on what exactly? You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure

Open bribery and corruption (both the direct pay-for-play and the indirect via insider information), openly violating the law and ignoring the courts, betrayal of public trust, mishandling of confidential information, war crimes, take your pick of the many different choices.

And the asset seizure would be for the proceeds of all the open bribery, at the very least.


Trump has immunity for anything that is an 'official act', thanks to the SCOTUS ruling.

Sadly, these are all fairly "safe" things for a US president to do. Either because there's no law against it and if there is he can just pardon himself and his partners in crime. I know a presidential self-pardon is controversial but realistically Trump will be dead before that legal question is settled.

There should be a law against it. It's blatant corruption. The fact that lawmakers and supreme judges have the power to make their own corruption legal, doesn't make it any less corrupt. The Nazis made their crimes legal, and they were tried anyway.

> The Nazis made their crimes legal, and they were tried anyway.

They were tried after being beaten militarily, who will lead the rebellion against Trump and the American military backing him? The military doesn't dislike what he does and those are the main ones that could oppose him.


Plenty of soldiers and veterans hate what he does. The current leadership doesn't because Trump purged them and promoted loyalists.

But ultimately, it's the people of the US who have to do this. You're absolutely right that nobody else is going to do it for them.


It's peculiar to me that after Nixon, Americans just don't hold their presidents accountable for their illegal actions anymore. It seems like they've just given up; they no longer behave as if the president was the head of the executive branch. They behave as if he was a king with absolute power.

This is such a long-standing problem that people no longer even notice the crimes happening right in front of their eyes. It's just become normal.


Americans turned the presidency into a pop figure.

Our president should be boring and relatively quiet. Congress should be our focus, not the president.


Starting illegal wars and engaging in extreme corruption, for starters.

The war isn't illegal. The president has that power. I don't like it either, but since the Korean War this is simply a statement of fact.

The president of the US does not have the power to start a war without getting it approved by the UN security council. You're arguing internal implementation details, but the legality is not determined by your courts.

I care less about what the UN says is legal than I do the local traffic cop

International law is not about what you care about. It just is. If you break it by starting a war, then it is an illegal war, ad definitionem.

> The war isn't illegal.

You're going to have to specify a framework if you want to make statements about legality.


US law, which is the only relevant law to discuss the actions of the president of the US.

The US constitution specifically calls out treaties signed by the US (such as the UN Charta) as supreme law of the land. Article VI, the "Supremacy Clause".

Thus, US law, too, defers to international law.

Please at least read the legal framework you're so confidently misdescribing.


It isn't obeyed or enforced and, therefore, is not the law. I won't read it as there is no point in doing so because it is not the law.

By that incredibly circular definition, laws don't exist. All it takes is ignoring them and then they disappear!

That's obviously not how things work. If you don't obey the law, you are a criminal. That's the whole point of laws.


A law defines the nature of collective action in response to certain violations. Words on paper themselves are impotent. If there is no potential for enforcement, i.e. there is no counterfactual state of collective action, there is no law.

That's exactly correct. Laws are not a physical entity and therefore their existence is predicated entirely on collective agreement.

So if you and I agree laws don't matter, we can go rob a bank together and it's all good?

If you and I, the president, congress, and the judiciary agree, then yes, and that's kind of the situation regarding the laws around starting a war.

Why only these local institutions? What makes those special?

They have the power to enforce laws

So do the mall cop and the ICC. Why does this arbitrary level in-between matter?

The mall cop much more so than the ICC

That sure is an attitude that explains why US soft power (and with that, Empire) has been crumbling at an unprecedented rate.

You might not care about the rules, but the rest of the world takes notice. This is how you break a world order carefully designed to further your own interests.


I already had you labeled as a climate denier and a troll, now I'll have to add one more item.

Add what you like. I can't possibly take anyone who uses the term "climate denier" seriously.

Under which "law" is President allowed legally to start a War - citation needed :)

It's been the established president since the Korean War when the US began ignoring the constitutional provision that gave congress the power to declare war. Additional examples are the Vietnam War, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq I & II, the Libyan regime change, and the current Iran conflict, and there are plenty more. The written law still states that the president does not have this power, but the actual unwritten law has been that he can. And that is the only law that matters.

> US began ignoring the constitutional provision

First, not US but Presidency and second, breaking Constitution is not very legal last time I checked but I could be wrong... /s


Yes, the US and not just the presidency. If it was just the presidency then he would have been impeached by congress for usurping their constitutional authority.

he was impeached (more than once cause he's a special kind of guy) and will be impeached again in 2029 :)

again, you are saying something is legal that is both clearly illegal and unconstitutional. you can say "it is illegal but we have no way to enforce since our congress and senate do not work for the people but are simple extension of a given political party in power" but you can't say that it is legal


The war is certainly illegal. Our systems are just so atrophied at this point that we treat congressional approval as a formality. This is a choice we make over and over again that we need to stop making.

Not even a formality. A formality means that he would get it from Congress, without Congress judging the war on merit. We don't even have that.

Speaking not just of this administration/war but also of past ones

>"The war isn't illegal. The president has that power"

Well you can say the same about Putin then. All nice and dandy


Of course I can. He even uses the same trick of not calling it a "war"

US constitution says that starting a war must be authorized by Congress, president has no authority to do it on his own.

The problem is: over time the US grew so powerful, that the definition of "war" became blurry. "No, we are not at war, our soldiers are just dropping bombs on Iran for fun and profit".

EDIT: Another problem, of course, is that current member of Congress have no balls to stand up to Trump and reclaim their constitutional powers.


Congress made its mistake a long time ago. Power is very difficult to reclaim once it has been relinquished. And it didn't even take a Caesar crossing the Rubicon in our case.

Well, his administration has ignored the constitutional rights of this country multiple times at best, and at worst outright violated them resulting in killing American citizens with zero justice or recourse. There's a million different alternative reasons people could come up with, but we can just go with the classic 'treason' and line them up accordingly.

There’s probably a huge case for corruption. And of course he can be declared national threat and foreign agent. I mean, just look what Putin does within his constitutional limits. When there’s choice between the bad (block Trump and allies) and the worse (his ideas stay alive even if he is no longer in business), you have to choose something and then reflect not on what you just did, but how did you get there in the first place. Legal matters are secondary, as long as majority is convinced that justice is served.

> There’s probably a huge case for corruption

Yes

> And of course he can be declared national threat and foreign agent

There is no evidence of that he is a foreign agent and there is no legal procedure (nor should there be) for declaring someone a "national threat."

> When there’s choice between the bad (block Trump and allies) and the worse (his ideas stay alive even if he is no longer in business)

This is inevitable and any government that tries to act against holders of an idea is a tyranny

> Legal matters are secondary, as long as majority is convinced that justice is served.

That is mob justice


There is absolutely evidence he is a foreign agent. He is likely too stupid to realize it, tho. Israel and Russia both have paper trails on him going back decades. People around trump and his businesses have deep ties to russia and that isnt private. His own sons have bragged about being close to russia. Oh, plus the eastern european wife.

This isnt a conspiracy. Epstein was an israeli agent and him and trump were bffs for years. Trumps family is also heavily in debt to Russia and theyve been very open about it.

You seem to be a weird trump supporter who is mildly trolling by saying false stuff like the iran war isnt illegal when it very clearly is. Your comments are either very ignorant or youre trolling. The only folks still defending trump are p silly folks. The evidence is overwhelming at this point.


You can't be an agent without realizing it and you don't get to call me silly when you list having a foreign wife as evidence that someone is a foreign agent.

If you hold the belief that the Trump administration (and Trump himself personally) have not commited a rather long list of crimes openly, you are either willfully ignorant or complicit. I do not care if this statement irritates you in any way. After a certain point, we are firmly in the realm of personal responsibility.

Who cares? Just stop enforcing laws on little guys completely, if you can't even think of what to put any of the US admin members on trial for. It's nuts that there are long complicated trials and TV series and movies about like a single person murdering one other person, yet people ask what we could even try nutjobs that murder and kill by thousands and/or support mass crimes all around the world for. Let alone all the financial crimes that are being perpetarated for sure, with all the crypto scams and insider trading on the insane volatility they themselves create and know in advance about.

Treason.

Epstein files for one

>"You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure"

Civil forfeiture would do just fine. Such a wonderful tool. /s


On what principle would the Trump family's assets be seized? Just to pre-empt the idea that he corruptly became rich in office, that is actually fairly usual for US presidents to become suspiciously wealthy after their time in office [0, 1]. That's never been a reason to start talking about asset seizure.

Although given the current lunatic escapade it does seem like a good moment to remove him from office. There must be someone somewhere in the administration that thinks another forever war is a bad idea, even if they aren't worried about WWIII. I've never seen a presidency implode so quickly - this has to be the most illegal, unconstitutional, unmandated, immoral and ill-advised war of choice the US has launched in decades.

[0] https://www.newsweek.com/chart-shows-net-worth-us-presidents...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_Unit...


I don't know about the rest, but Clinton when he left the presidency was actually in (legal) debt. He raised to the actual 100+ million way after his presidency, so Newsweek is presenting it wrong.

In a year people will be complaining about human written code going into production without LLM review.

> When your software supports 8, 9, 10 or more zeroes of revenue, "trash the old and create new" are just about the scariest words you can say. There's people relying on this code that you've never even heard of.

Well, now it'll take them 5 minutes to rewrite their code to work around your change.


> Well, now it'll take them 5 minutes to rewrite their code to work around your change

You misunderstand. It will take them 2 years to retrain 5000 people on the new process across hundreds of locations. In some fields, whole new college-level certifications courses will have to be created.

In my specific experience it’s just a few dozen (maybe 100) people doing the manual process on top of our software and it takes weeks for everyone to get used to any significant change.

We still have people using pages that we deprecated a year ago. Nobody can figure out who they are or what they’re missing on the new pages we built


> You misunderstand. It will take them 2 years to retrain 5000 people on the new process across hundreds of locations. In some fields, whole new college-level certifications courses will have to be created.

Replace them by AI.

I’m still being sarcastic.


Ask AI about a strategy and tools to build to figure out.

Great now you have a strategy (one less MBA to hire). You still need to do the strategy.

The doing is where most of the time goes. Strategy docs are cheap, my intern can give you 5 of those by tomorrow.


That will be after it broke, which costs money

Also: no


I just want to point out _how easy it is_ to build any of these tools yourself.

I got inspired by nano-claw and built on some of it's ideas to build a whole k8s hosted autonomous agent platform and got it into production in 2 weeks. It's just some api calls and container orchestration. The only hard problem _and it is hard_, is securing it, because you basically have to treat the agents as potentially malicious.


It's because of this hard problem that I'm thinking I should keep using Viktor (getviktor.com) instead of running this OpenViktor.

The company may not do a perfect job of security either, but I figure they'll do a better job than I can as a solo practitioner.


I doubt it makes a difference. The primary risk is the agent exfiltrating your private data. That's going to exist either way.

Essentially anything you give it access to should be considered inside the same security boundary. Which is quite unfortunate if you want it to respond to emails for you and also query the internet at large.


Agree, anything that agent has access to is like giving it to malicious user. Especially when agent is exposed to different users that should have different permission levels

The United States is no longer a reliable ally.

That is the reality that the world is having to adapt to. Even when Trump is gone, it will take a long time to rebuild that trust.


You shouldn’t assume trust will naturally just regrow. This may be it, we may have passed peak USA.

Hence the Carney strategy up here in Canada. We can realize in hindsight that we were far too dependent on a single ally. We're diversifying - and even if America wants to become reliable again we've learned and will (hopefully) never be so dependent again.

In the post WW2 era most western countries grew lazy about sovereignty due to America's open-handed approach - this has been a wake up call and has severely lowered America's soft-power globally.


China is not going to defend Canadian interests, friend.

Who said we'd assume China will defend Canadian interests? The current strategy is focused on growing much closer to the EU while becoming a trade bridge for Atlantic/Pacific relations. Canada has a lot of clout on the international stage so we've been able to match-make trade linkages while expanding our market.

Canada isn't a first rate power - if the US or China decided to unilaterally target us it'd be deeply damaging. The hope is that working in concert with other middle powers we can form a cushion to soften a blow - not fully turn it.


America has already failed to defend them. Our deranged president has threatened to invade them, and yet he's still in power.

Has China ever threatened to invade Canada?


When did America defend Canada's interests that didn't coincide with American interests?

Would you trust Palantir if you're I'm the US?

Surely this time around, technological advancements in the name of "national security" won't end up used on its citizens ;)

Genuinely a bit shocked at the naivety on HN on this topic but maybe thats a misunderstanding on my part. Happy to be shown otherwise. Alex Karp, if you're reading this, please don't send your fent laced urine spraying drones after me!


No longer? Never was. The Epstein Alliance does not have your interest at heart. Whatever comes after those oligarchs decay will probably be worse.

I go through phases with it where I am extraordinarily productive and times where i can't even bear to open a terminal window.

So, a fun historical fact is that insurance markets started with people in coffee houses betting on whether or not ships would sink for fun. Eventually ship owners realized that if they bet on their own ship sinking, that it reduced the financial risk of travel, then betters realized that ship owners were doing that and decided to research before taking the other side of the bet, and so on until you end up with ship insurance.

In a sense, prediction markets are all forms of insurance. A "war market" is just an insurance market against war. If you do business in someplace that is at risk at war, placing a huge bet on the war happening mitigates the risk of doing business in that place.

There is a reason that insurance has taken the shape that it has -- incredibly detailed contracts, requirements that the insured have an interest in the thing being insured, etc, and the reason is exactly that pure prediction markets went through this exact cycle hundreds of years ago which lead to laws being passed banning the practice. That is why LLoyd's of London exists. It started as a pure gambling and became insurance through regulation and business evolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Insurance_Act_1745 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Assurance_Act_1774

I'm not incredibly against the concept of prediction markets, per se, but running them _globally, _at scale_ with _no regulations_ is going to lead to really awful outcomes, up to and including murder.


> insurance markets started with people in coffee houses

Regardless of whether or not that anecdote is true, insurance is one of the oldest human institutions. We have records of Hammurabi's code from ancient Babylon that pertain to insurance (including ship insurance).



Yes but if you're a bloke toking on your pipe in Lloyds Coffee House in 1713 you don't know that you already ordered a submarine to sink a ship you're placing a bet will sink...

Submarines in 1713?

As a sibling says, the story is for ships, other insurance has existed for millenials.

It wasn’t an option in the USSR, either.

The "peripheral" countries mentioned in the GP were nations or at the very least distinct semi-national entities before the USSR.

States in the USA have no effective history before being a part of the USA.


I do not think it will happen but this is why in discussions about this happening, or historical fiction, typically the places that break off are the ones that were distinct _before_ they joined the US. Any of the 13 colonies, New England as a block having the strongest colonial identity that I'm aware of, Texas, or California generally are where it's assumed to start as those were countries/had identities very much outside of the US while also having economies that might be ok.

Wrong, Hawaii and New Mexico ( which included parts of Arizona, Colorado and Texas) do

That's fair (I live in NM).

But I would still say that the status of lower-48 states is quite different than, say, Belarus and the USSR.

Yes, Nuevo Mexico existed prior to becoming part of the US, but most of the distinctive identity-forming elements of Nuevo Mexico have been lost or significantly diminished (for a variety of reasons).

I know nothing of Hawaii, the situation there may be similar or very different.

The USSR existed for only about 70 years. There were likely people alive at its creation who were still alive as the eastern European states left it. That's a very different scenario than NM (which effectively entered the US in 1848 with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo).


Not playing it all the way through at the end is diabolical.

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