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I’m sure the nature offices are chilled nicely.

Wrong. They’ve always been open, even with their patents too. All free to use, no royalties

Confidently incorrect.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/utivlj/tesla_s...

> This used to cost $3187.50

https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-service-manuals-free-...

> The access story has been inconsistent over the years. Tesla has opened up free access to both the service manuals and diagnostic software in the past, but that was apparently a mistake, and loopholes were quickly closed.

https://www.teslaownersonline.com/threads/tesla-service-manu...

"Always ... all free to use". Not so much. And before that, even less available.

I will grant you for number 2, there seems to be some ambiguity - some people claimed it was only if you needed to actually use their diagnostic tools, because Tesla wouldn't sell them to anyone at the time (which is also in contradiction to your "everything you need, all free, always").


Diagnostic tools are built into every car and free, service mode is amazing. No other car manufacturer does that.

Elementary diagnostic tools are free.

If you think this is actual diagnostic tools? No.

Free? Weird that Tesla offers a subscription for it: https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software

$700/year is a strange definition of "free".

You seem to miss my point. The OP wanted to pat Tesla on the back for their amazing commitment to freeness and openness. My point was that even if they are doing good/much better now, much of the time they had to be dragged kicking and screaming to it. MA's AG had to wave the right-to-repair laws.

It's not uncommon knowledge that third party repairs have been, for years, difficult to impossible because Tesla wouldn't supply either the information or the parts to third parties. I'm not sure why, in the face of repeated evidence otherwise, you seem determined to retcon those details out of existence.


No, you’re wrong. I have a Tesla and service mode is free and amazing, I can look at any system and subsystems with it, look at logs, and do testing, all from the built in touch screen all for free. No other car manufacturer comes close. Not sure why you hate Tesla so much and are so bent on spreading false information. Maybe you should help save the planet and get one.

Maybe you should read Tesla's own documentation. The service mode you have is an elementary version of diagnostics. There is an actual diagnostics mode that costs $700/year to have access to.

Again, since you plainly didn't read it: https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software

service.tesla.com - if I'm spreading false information, so is Tesla. Oops.


Is plenty enough to do full diagnosis on the car. Far better than any other manufacturer does. Give me one that’s better.

Makes you wonder why they sell that, then, huh. Obviously nothing fruitful is coming from further interaction here.

If they’re half as good as the robot I saw today in china slapping that kid id get a few

Guns stolen = crime. Guns purchased = self defense.

It was the greatest thing yesterday.

Well that explains it, the guy in charge is a wad.

Agl? @gi? Heck if we can’t compete we’ll confuse!

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

I had to look at my calendar to be sure it wasn’t 2001

Tesla: Tarpening and Eberhard along with Musk’s cash changed the world. GM was a half hearted effort to please some politicians, as evidenced by leasing a few, and in the end destroying them all.

Tarpening and Eberhard left Tesla long before the company had any “change the world” influence on the automotive landscape. If you want to give credit to anyone other than Musk, give it to Tom Gage for designing the AC Propulsion tzero. Tarpening and Eberhard’s business plan was little more than “make a handful of tzero clones for weird enthusiasts like us.”

This always gets missed when people shit on Musk for not starting Tesla. Tesla was a complete shitshow before Musk took over. Arguably it was dumb for Musk to invest in the business in the first place.

In the end it worked because he put in even more money and was on the right side of history in regards to Lithium-Ion battery evolution.

I would also say that JB Straubel was CTO when they designed the LiIon battery backs and made them safe enough to use.

Tesla is a study in basically doing everything wrong except having the general right idea for the future, Li-battery electric car. Its pretty clear they had no experience with cars or manufacturing.


>he [...] was on the right side of history in regards to Lithium-Ion battery evolution.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


A stopped clock is right 730 times per year.

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