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Keep using Scala ;-)


Your write Java the Langauge should just die! The should work on the VM/GC and JIT. Programmers should work with Clojure or Scala.


same here ;-)


Do you really have used Zope and Django if you say that the former is monolithic and the latter allows easy swap out its components?


Django people should really look how it's all (configuration, reusability) done in Zope/repoze.bfg. The problems, mentioned in keynote was solved 4-5 years ago there.


And what's happened to Zope since then ?


It's all ok with it — there are two successors — bluebream and repoze.bfg. I prefer the latter. ;-)


I like repoze.bfg as well. My point was that Zope has dropped in usage and mindshare in the last 5 years, and the community was unable to prevent that (for technical reasons, the Zope2/Zope3 confusion, easier frameworks like Django, etc).


The problem with Zope is that it's not scale down to simple tasks. Repoze.BFG can do that, but it's Django-time now, sadly...


I think this is a major problem with Python (and Ruby, for that matter). Why does it have to be an all or nothing ? Why "Django-time" to detriment of all else ?

The PHP community seems to be happy with a rich ecosystem of frameworks offering different approaches to problems - from Drupal and Wordpress, through Symphony, Zend, CodeIgniter etc. Maybe it's because Python is such a smaller community, but it's a shame there has to be one-framework-to-rule-them-all (yesterday Zope, today Django).

Different frameworks offer different approaches and suit different projects. As Python developers we should be much more open minded.


Actually, we're far from "one framework" - just because one has a lot of mindshare doesn't mean we have like 30 of them floating around. Web.py, Django, Repoze, Flask, on and on and on.

I think writing a python web framework is a rite of passage.


I was referring to mindshare, and related jobs market, rather than the number of frameworks.


Why no Scala?


Constructive criticism is never superfluous ;-)


This site is too fat? :]


I am wondering why we cannot just merge stackless python in cpython along with gevent in standard library...


One of the most stupid questions I've ever seen.


amichail is deliberately trolling.


It's not quite trolling.


do you think he is engaging in dialectic?


Dialogue, possibly, but I would not have said dialectic.


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