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Yes, on social media. Outside of their basecamp account.


I think that’s the entire point DHH was attempting to make: internal issues don’t need to be connected with broader issues like colonialism and racism.

That senior execs making more money is due to their tenure and merit, and not because they’re white and male.


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Seriously though what’s the connection between it being 2020 and there being more default RAM? Are you suggesting that in the year 2030 we should expect 100gb of RAM?

The goal shouldn’t be to increase ageing technology but to replace it with something better.


If you do anything like virtualization 8GB of RAM is absolutely paltry, borderline unusable - due to the need, e.g. to allocate a specific amount of RAM to a running VM.

To be honest, I find even 16GB to be limiting. The lack of offering of a 32GB configuration killed the immediate sale for me, absolutely no exaggeration.

Because you can't upgrade it post-market, I'd consider these to be some of the least future-proofed releases from Apple in a while.


> Are you suggesting that in the year 2030 we should expect 100gb of RAM?

100GB sounds like paltry for 10 years of technological advancement. In 2010 DDR4 didn't exist yet and DDR3 only supported up to 16GB per ram stick (8 on Intel at the time). Now we have ram sticks with capacities up to 256GB. The 2010 MacBook Pro only came with 4GB! But really "640K ought to be enough for anybody", am I right?


Well, I get where you're coming from, but would compare it maybe to electric or hydrogen vs gas cars. If I was in the market for a new car and drove certain distances regularly, I probably wouldn't be the first to buy something that could only go half the distance less conveniently, but does it faster.


> Are you suggesting that in the year 2030 we should expect 100gb of RAM?

You can buy a Thinkpad P15 with 128GB of RAM today, so I'd expect more like multi-TB RAM by 2030.


I think I'm with you here.

I've had 16 gigs for the last 8 years. I thought about getting 32, but I haven't noticed needing more memory and it does use (battery) energy so I decided against it.


More ram is patch for components that aren’t hyper-optimized to work together. The whole point of what apple is doing with their own silicon is to create that optimization, thus reducing the need for excessive ram.

It’s worked for them for iPad and iPhone. Samsung et all would boast more ram but oddly enough iPhones were and remain faster


An iPad and iPhone mostly display one thing. One app or maybe a second one in split screen.

A laptop can run many things simultaneously. Web browser, Office suite, Musik, EMail client, Cloud sync... Even my mother struggled with 8GB RAM on here work machine and she is by far no PC expert. She writes emails and letters, opens spreadsheets and websites. Sometimes she gets a call and has to open another document or website. End of RAM.

I would NOT recommend the 8GB Macbook Pro for professional work.


Not sure the downvoting ...

Even with 16, 32gb of ram, Android phones still don’t have buttery smooth 60 FPS while iOS has never been smoother


You're confusing CPU and memory pressure, and attributing blame to the wrong component.

Android's lack of smoothness is due to thread contention, whereas the iOS kernel uses a dedicated UI thread running at high priority. RAM size has no impact on UI performance, beyond a sufficient amount for the kernel.


To add on to this, the person you are replying to is also quite wrong. Android devices definitely can be smooth and many go past 60hz now and have higher refresh rates than Apple products.


I don't care that the p90 UI latency performance is better, the p99 performance on Android devices is terrible (UI stuttering).

I use a Pixel 3 and iPhone 8 on a daily basis.


Agreed. I have a pixel work phone and iPhone (XS/12 pro) for personal usage. Even though the Android is also current gen it can be unresponsive at times and also the face unlock is terrible on the android. I can’t remember the last time faceid failed but on Android it’s atleast 2-3 times a day.


You're getting downvoted because "hyper-optimizing" isn't going to let me run another VM or launch another instance of Xcode.


95% percent of laptop users wont run VMs or Xcode, so there's that...


MacBooks and PowerBooks before them where about that 5% of power users who fell in love with their tools and preached to all their friends and family to get one too.

Now that apple has the remaining 95%, it is letting their power users down. But that is only natural, establishing a beachhead with the powerusers was "just" a genious marketing move that worked pretty well.


>MacBooks and PowerBooks before them where about that 5% of power users who fell in love with their tools and preached to all their friends and family to get one too.

And they still are. Just not in their base configuration, like they have never been. I've been using their stuff since the Motorola era.

Was there any time Apple gave "ample" RAM/DISK in their base configuration? No.

If anything, now it's better than ever...


It may be 13 but refuses to stop being 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 ...


For some it was the other way around. Certain liberties were sacrificed (in the name of security) as the versions progressed. For e.g. an app cannot toggle wifi hotspot.


How is this a good thing?

All it shows is complete lack of trust and complete desire for control.

Shopify is an awful company to work for unless you’re a junior dev who likes nerding out and refactoring code over and over again.

Source: worked there


While you were downvoted for being negative about this and your style of message, I think there is a kernel of truth, and I don't think we should be so eager to dismiss the experiences of people who have actually worked at a place, versus what is essentially a form of PR for the company.


I suspect the problem is the lack of specificity: it's hard to judge from the comment whether there are likely to be legitimate grievances or not.


Indeed, reading their post history shows this, however:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24878130


Sorta fits inline with the fact that the CEO still spends time writing code (half-joke)


Interesting perspective, I have talked to two very seniors engineers there who love the place(one worked there 7 years, other I am not sure). One of the things they like(and I would agree) is that Shopify does rewrite old stuff when they move to something new, so there are no leftover unmaintainable untouchable .

BTW what it shows is that, he loves to code. He already built an incredibly successful company. Whatever is that he does works. I love writing code too been doing it since I was 14. One of the reason I do not want to move to Engineering Management is the expectation of abandoning it.


I worked at Shopify for a year and it was the worst year of my life.

Woefully inept people work there who suck up and miss managements ass because they don’t want to lose their perks.

Shopify is a mirage.


I had the exact same experience. Got my shares and bailed.


Yep yep and yep. But people these days “but mah bacon!”


I love bacon, burgers, hot dogs, fillet mignon, and porterhouse too, but I don't eat them because they're suicidal and omnicidal choices, like slurping down 256 oz. of HFCS, smoking 6 packs a day, or weighing 200 kg.

If there were really good Impossible Bacon, I would go for it.

We need alternatives that don't create more externalities than they solve, whether that means cultured means or substitutes.

Furthermore, I think you're right in the underlying sentiment in that we need leadership to make tough, "austerity-like" choices to outlaw certain things that are leading us towards certain doom because most people won't change unless they're dragged kicking-and-screaming. Easter Island had trees, North America had megafauna, the ancient world has slyphium and those are all gone now because of humans.


The problem in the world now is that we have long gone past eating for survival, we now eat for desire.

Anyways, go vegan.


They are not mutually exclusive. For all of recorded History people have enjoyed food, and there's so much culture surrounding food in all traditional societies on Earth.


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